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OpenOffice 2.0 的教學 flash 影片

discuss pic 2005-11-13 21:50:59
可能比較適合初學者看的教學錄影帶,可惜只是英文版,適合英文聽力還可以的網友看。其實我比較好奇的是這是用什麼錄體錄製的呢?

NewsForge presents free OpenOffice.org training videos
http://business.newsforge.com/business/05/11/09/2044220.shtml?tid=35&tid=136&tid=130
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discuss pic 2005-11-13 22:29:58
Nice. Thanks for the info!

Edit: Don't follow the second video's method to format paragraphs! That's an antiquated, primitive and stupid way to format text. It's like using a NT$3000 cordless drill as a hammer, to beat a nail into a wall.

If that method is all you can, then you can use any text processing software without learning, but you never learned text processing and your documents are of the same poor level as those most of the "我只會Word" fraction are producing.

Learn to use styles, or you will get nowhere.
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discuss pic 2005-11-14 16:07:38
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Adolar 寫道:
Learn to use styles, or you will get nowhere.


All word processors use the pen-and-paper metaphor (WYSIWIG) in presenting software functions, and that metaphor is presentation oriented. To use styles effectively, the user must abandon the WYSIWIG mental set and form an abstract representation of document structure in his or her mind. My feeling is that the concept of “separation of content and styles” is simply too difficult for ordinary people to grasp.
Hao
discuss pic 2005-11-14 18:38:50
Hmm, who is an "ordinary people" then? Plus, you don't need any Word or OO or SO, if you want to use it WYSIWYG, any simple text editor with formatting will do. Plus: You will get lots of trouble in case of "serious" documents. Just one example:

Back in Germany, I've been helping Taiwanese friends with their Ph.D. thesis. My friends did write the thesis (content) themselves (unlike some other people...), I "only" helped them with checking the language and formatting.

Now, a friend wrote a 200+ pages thesis - and then he needed an index, naturally. So what did he do? He looked through his whole thesis and when he came to a heading, he made notes on a sheet of paper: heading number, heading content and page number.

When he finished this (after quite some time), he opened a new document and keyed in everything from the paper. But he still had to do some more editing on his thesis - and all his page numbers were useless again...

With correct formatting, he only needed to choose (if done on English OO) "Insert - Indexes and Tables - Indexes and Tables - Table of Contents". This is done in five seconds and he only needs to do it once, because the computer will keep track of all changes and update the index "automagically".

There is much more that can be done with correct formatting. And if someone wants to do text processing, he/she should learn it, for otherwise he/she is just using a fast and expensive typewriter...

Of course, someone does not need to learn all this if he just wants to write a letter to his Grandma. But then again, one would not need an office package for that, Wordpad (on Windows) will perfectly do the job...
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discuss pic 2005-11-14 22:21:46
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Hmm, who is an "ordinary people" then?


Those who know what traditional and simplified Chinese characters are, but have no idea what various character encoding schemes (Big5, GB2312, GBK, HZ, UTF-8...) are about. Those who use Microsoft Word regularly, but treat it as an expensive typewriter most of the time.

In other words, when I said “ordinary people” I was referring to those who rely (almost solely) on metaphors from the manual (non-electronic) world in learning and using computer software. I am not sure how many people belong to this group, 99.999% of all computer users perhaps?

Of course, there are always a lot of things that exist only in computer software and never exist in the conventional, manual world. For those things you will never find appropriate metaphors to help users, and for most people those aspects are harder to learn.

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There is much more that can be done with correct formatting. And if someone wants to do text processing, he/she should learn it, for otherwise he/she is just using a fast and expensive typewriter...


I was not defending the typewriter or pen-and-paper metaphor of word processing software, nor was I defending the WYSIWIG concept. What I wanted to emphasis was that they have prevented people from effectively learning and using styles. People don't know how to use styles because of this particular metaphor most word processing software are built upon, not because of stupidity or laziness.
Hao
discuss pic 2005-11-14 23:55:07
Wow, that is pretty positive thinking, Sgt. Oddball would probably love to have you on his tank. To be honest, you are the first person here in Taiwan to tell me about metaphors when it comes to text processing.

You are not accidentally a Mac user? Because Apple comes probably closest to your ideal, Windows (and also my beloved Linux) still have a long way to go. But even on a Mac you need to learn, if you want to use it properly. Have you ever tried to make a screenshot on OS X?

Actually, I don't really care what people do at home with their computers, that is their private decision. But if you have to use a computer at work, then we are talking about a completely different story. (And I think we can agree that most people, including the "ordinary" ones, are using a computer at work?)

In that case, the computer is part of your job description and you have the obligation to learn whatever is needed to be able to do that part of your job properly. (Except, of course, someone does not care about his job and prefers to let other people do his work. I had/have my share of such fellows...)

Unfortunately, my experiences in the Real World(TM) are slightly different from your positive thoughts. Most times it is very simple: Everyone is using a computer, so I have to use one too. But I don't want to "waste" time to learn anything about that machine, I only want to use it.

A phrase I often hear from such people is "It works here for me, I don't know why others have problems with that document, I didn't know they can't use a computer." when in fact, the one who does not know how to use a computer is right that person...

I don't know about your experiences, but some of my gray hair comes from situations like this: Someone followed your metaphor and created a "nice" document. There is some text, a few images, a few lines are connecting parts of the text with images or parts of them. Everything looks just fine, so the boss thanks him. A while later your boss decides that you (not the original "creator") should make a few "minor" modifications to that file - and all hell breaks loose.

As soon as you make just a tiny modification to that file, everything crumbles to a chaos, nothing is where it is supposed to be and you have no idea which line should connect from where to where.

This happens if people never cared to learn text processing and only check if "it works for me", while the rest of the world may go to hell. No matter what kind of job one does, he/she should do it properly. Or would you like it if your dentist tells you next time "Hey, I have a great new device here, really expensive. I never used it before and didn't care to read the manual, but if you don't mind, I would like to try it on you now."
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discuss pic 2005-11-15 14:27:09
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Adolar 寫道:
To be honest, you are the first person here in Taiwan to tell me about metaphors when it comes to text processing.


Presenting functionality through a familiar metaphor is one of the most basic principles in software interface design. Modern GUI environments (Mac, Windows, GNOME, KDE...) are all based on well-known metaphors. The use of metaphors helps the user develop a mental model of a system more easily.

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You are not accidentally a Mac user? Because Apple comes probably closest to your ideal, Windows (and also my beloved Linux) still have a long way to go. But even on a Mac you need to learn, if you want to use it properly. Have you ever tried to make a screenshot on OS X?


Actually, I am a die-hard CLI (command line interface) user.

Twelve years ago I used Sun OS on a daily basis. Most of the time I simply used a terminal emulator to access the workstation. I used pine for reading email, tin for reading Usenet news, pico for editing text, and cc for compiling c programs. Occasionally I also sat in front of the workstation to use its GUI to get some jobs done, but I did not find its GUI particularly helpful (well, that GUI was, basically, bare-bone X). Around the same time, I also wrote Lisp programs with Allegro Common LISP on an IBM RS6000 workstation, and used SAS/IML on an HP 9000 workstation, all via text terminals without any GUI.

Now I use both Windows and Linux (with GNOME desktop environment), and I feel equally comfortable working on both platforms. I write C and Perl programs on both platforms, and I still use CLI a lot (even on Windows). I have never owned a Mac. OS X indeed is closet to my ideal, but mainly because of its Unix root. I admit that I like Mac's GUI, but I am also heavily biased toward open source software and operating systems.
Hao
discuss pic 2005-11-19 23:38:34
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Adolar 寫道:
To be honest, you are the first person here in Taiwan to tell me about metaphors when it comes to text processing.

Presenting functionality through a familiar metaphor is one of the most basic principles in software interface design...

Yes, I know. What I mean is: You are the first person here in Taiwan telling me about metaphors in relation to an OS' GUI. That's not what I usually get to hear.

But to get back to the topic: Newsforge announced those flash files as kind of training material mainly for employees.
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As a public service for Commonwealth of Massachusetts employees (and everyone else)

What was shown in the formatting video were standard operations on standard Windows GUI elements. There was nothing specific to OO, even the locations of all elements were obvious.

But if that is all a government employee can do with a text processing software, well... That would mean someone can work in a programming job if he only knows how to drag a few VB elements around on his desk. (Yes, I know, we are already there...)

So: For home use, people can do whatever they like to do. But if it's for the job, then it might be nice if things were done right.
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"Er, five."
"Wrong! You see?"

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discuss pic 2005-12-26 23:06:56
Well, it is not flash, but I found this today.
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"Er, five."
"Wrong! You see?"

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