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有人先學 OO.o 再學 M$.o 的嗎?

discuss pic 2005-11-06 01:26:25
小弟是先接觸M$.o ,後來再接觸 OO.o ,
可是一直無法從 M$.o 跳到 OO.o 這邊來。
可能是因為中 M$.o 的毒太深,
很多操作上的習慣早已被制約了吧!

想起開始用 OO.o 1.0.1 的時候,
光是要用 writer 調個格式(字型、紙張、版面設定),
就沒有 word 來得直接了。
所以從那時開始,
我對 OO.o 的態度都一直持保留態度。
(Calc也是有類似的情況~找不到功能~或函數~)



小弟想問問看,
不知有沒有人(或是朋友)一開始就是先接觸 OO.o ,
然後再去接觸 M$.o ,
會覺得 M$.o 很不順手的?
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discuss pic 2005-11-06 04:01:23
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samba 寫道:
小弟想問問看,
不知有沒有人(或是朋友)一開始就是先接觸 OO.o ,
然後再去接觸 M$.o ,
會覺得 M$.o 很不順手的?


即使 OpenOffice.org 和 Microsoft Office 有很高的相似性與相容性,畢竟是不同的軟體,拿使用其中一套建立起來的習慣去用另外一套,一定會覺得另一套不夠好用。

我用 OpenOffice.org 已經兩年多了。我現在能夠非常有效率地用 Impress 設計簡報範本、製作與放映簡報。這樣的工作效率,絕對不會比以前用 PowerPoint 的時候差。出於好奇,最近我試著使用兩年多沒用過的 PowerPoint,竟然發現用得不太順手了。如果你現在問我哪個比較好用,我一定說是 Impress。

很多時候你覺得軟體難用,往往不是真的難用,而是你心裡有許多的預設立場,覺得新系統一定要和舊系統一模一樣。如果有一點不一樣你就開始抱怨,不願學習一套新的系統。我另外有一個經驗:我從來沒有用過 Photoshop,但也可以用 GIMP 用得很順手。GIMP 的使用者介面的確有許多可以改善的空間,但只要稍微用點心,還是能夠很快上手的。

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discuss pic 2005-11-06 07:00:03
這個是習慣的問題。以前先學注音輸入法,後來學倉頡,以後又學了嘸蝦米。現在一直都用嘸蝦米,偶而不會打的時候切回注音,而倉頡卻忘得一乾二淨,再怎麼抓破頭就是想不起來。

又好比使用作業系統,從 DOS 換到 Win3.1,後來探到 OS/2。OS/2 一用就用了十一個年頭,其間當然也有用 Win98、WinMe 和 WinXP,甚至 Linux。但用來用去還是習慣 OS/2 的操作,用了 OS/2 會覺得 Windows 太小兒科,Linux 則不怎麼簡單易用,還是 OS/2 最適中。以前也用過 Word、PowerPoint,現在則是用 OpenOffice for OS/2,三、兩下就搞定了 OpenOffice 的用法,尤其是能直接輸出 PDF 格式,幫我搞定許多工作及專文,M$ Office 在這點上就輸了一截。

就像瀏覽器革命一樣,Mozilla, Firefox, Thunderbird 就是 IE 和 Outlook 的替代品。

用習慣就成自然了。

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discuss pic 2005-11-06 09:30:05
我是也是先學M$ office
再學OOo
可是當初學M$ office不專心
所以用過OOo之後
M$ office用起來感覺還蠻不習慣的
我之前也曾要我媽買M$ office
可是在導入OOo之後
我也不會想買M$office了
discuss pic 2005-11-06 09:34:28
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小弟是先接觸M$.o ,後來再接觸 OO.o ,可是一直無法從 M$.o 跳到 OO.o 這邊來。可能是因為中 M$.o 的毒太深,很多操作上的習慣早已被制約了吧!所以從那時開始,我對 OO.o 的態度都一直持保留態度。


您操作MS Office已經多久了,而OO.o 呢??
當您接觸OO.o久了,就會慢慢習慣,反而會覺得MS Office難用。

參照:
Calc也是有類似的情況~找不到功能~或函數~

是哪些呢??

參照:
想起開始用 OO.o 1.0.1 的時候,光是要用 writer 調個格式(字型、紙張、版面設定),就沒有 word 來得直接了。

可以試試OO.o 2.0版

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明年微軟又要上市新版的Office,對微軟用戶而言,"操作模式"又要轉變了。
http://winsupersite.com/showcase/office12_pb_galleries.asp

重要的事,每出新版的Office,功能是一般使用者會用到嗎??
Office 97 >2000 >XP>2003,能說出差異性(新增哪些功能)嗎??
還是只是盲目花錢跟著升級??
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discuss pic 2005-11-06 15:41:11
JBH
用ooo大概半年,之前打論文時一直使用mso,也熟悉了格式,樣式,範本,表格,插圖,特殊符號等等工具。

剛轉換到ooo時有點不習慣,一直在找這些相關工具的使用方法,有些很容易就可以轉換過來,但有些就和mso不一樣,比如樣式工具。

但後來找到相對應的使用方法後,反而覺得ooo很好用,相對的,mso的某些工具就變得很不好用。最近有些高手又提供了符號工具,感覺更棒了。

現在除了開啟別人的檔案外,我幾乎不太用mso了。

花點時間找找使用技巧吧!它的使用邏輯其實蠻棒的。
discuss pic 2005-11-06 16:02:23
ted
二年多來,很少用ms office,前幾天同事要做md word的合併列印,我居然變不會了,還真的對ms office不習慣了.
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discuss pic 2005-11-08 00:43:43
所以我覺得應該在校園中規定主修 OOo ,讓初學者先用 OOo
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discuss pic 2005-11-08 01:58:49
你們不覺得要像外國一樣,由教育部發一道命令,通令全國中小學大專院校一律改用 ODF 格式流通文件,這樣是不是比較徹底一點?

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discuss pic 2005-11-09 00:51:49
But for that the MoE officials would need to 1) understand the issue and 2) be not easily "convinced" by monetary or similar "arguments".

Btw: Auch wenn ich das Wort an sich nicht mag, ich glaube, es wird immer noch "Deutschland" geschrieben...

Back to the topic: No, I did not start with OO.

I started with a typewriter. (Yes, I'm getting old...)

Next was "WordPro 86" on a KC85/3. (Sorry, German only.)

Then came "Star Writer" on a C-64C.

At university we played with WordStar and Wordperfect, though I rarely used the latter.

After I got a 286, I touched Word 5.0 and later 5.5 on DOS. After I switched to Windows, I tried AmiPro 3.5 (a nice program) and also Word up to 2.0.

Then friends encountered problems with Word 2.0. I couldn't rescue their files with Word and also Ami Pro had to surrender. So I searched for an alternative and found Staroffice 3.1, which worked just fine.

Did you notice? At that time there was an AmiPro 3.5 (text processing only), Word 2.0 (text processing only) and Staroffice 3.1 (about the same functionality as now). There was no Microsoft "Office", only Word, Excel and perhaps some Powerpoint - and they were at version 2.0.

However, instead of improving their software more quickly, Microsoft came up with a much more cunning solution: They jumped from 2.0 directly to 6.0 - and at once most people believed that Word 6.0 was better than Staroffice 3.1 or 4.0...

Please don't make the mistake to think that OpenOffice is "new", it is not. OpenOffice is just the "free" version of Staroffice - and Staroffice has been more advanced than MS products for a number of times. OpenOffice builds upon that, so it is pretty "mature".

Please also don't make the mistake to "learn Word" or "learn OO". Do you "learn Toyota"? Or "can you Mitsubishi"? Sounds stupid, right? We say "I learn to drive a car" or "I can drive a car."

But in Taiwan it's perfectly normal to say "I can Word." Please don't. Learn text processing instead. If you know text processing, you should be able to use Word, OO, Koffice, Abiword, Wordperfect, Applixware, Ragtime, Textmaker or whatever you prefer.

It's like driving a car: If you only drove one car in your whole life, you will get frightened by the view of another car. But if you really "can drive", it does not matter what car you have to drive, you will only complain that one car is more convenient, more reliable than the other. But they both can take you from A to B.

I do not use OO for the sole reason that it is "free", so I don't need to spend money on it. If there was no OO, I would go on purchasing Staroffice, as I did before. The reason is simple: SO (and therefor also OO) is better than MSO, has (since SO was created) always been.

Learn to "drive", and you may find the same...
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discuss pic 2005-11-09 04:59:19
Danke Adolar, ich habe nicht gemerkt, dass ich falsch geschrieben haben.

Als ich gewusst habe, SO ist der erst Office Paket fuer OS/2. Hast du auch OS/2 Erfahrungen?

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discuss pic 2005-11-09 08:52:06
Ich hatte 3.0 Warp mal billig bekommen und auch SO darauf installiert. Das war damals richtig spannend, Dokumente von OS/2 nach Windows und von dort nach Linux zu verschieben - und ueberall konnte man das gleiche Programm zum bearbeiten benutzen...

OS/2 war ganz interessant, aber ich brauchte Unicode (Deutsch, Japanisch, Chinesisch in einem Dokument? Nicht ohne Unicode...), und OS/2 hatte sowas leider noch nicht. Jetzt nutze ich halt Linux, das macht alles, was ich brauche...
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"I am at a rough estimate, thirty billion times more intelligent than you. Let me give you an example. Think of a number, any number."
"Er, five."
"Wrong! You see?"

Douglas Adams, "Life, the Universe and Everything"
discuss pic 2005-11-09 09:43:52
tad
打岔一下...小弟才疏學淺,請問一下這應該不是英文吧...那是甚麼語文呢?
discuss pic 2005-11-09 17:29:26
好像有點像徳文...
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"I am at a rough estimate, thirty billion times more intelligent than you. Let me give you an example. Think of a number, any number."
"Er, five."
"Wrong! You see?"

Douglas Adams, "Life, the Universe and Everything"
discuss pic 2005-11-09 19:34:57
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Adolar 寫道:
Ich hatte 3.0 Warp mal billig bekommen und auch SO darauf installiert. Das war damals richtig spannend, Dokumente von OS/2 nach Windows und von dort nach Linux zu verschieben - und ueberall konnte man das gleiche Programm zum bearbeiten benutzen...

OS/2 war ganz interessant, aber ich brauchte Unicode (Deutsch, Japanisch, Chinesisch in einem Dokument? Nicht ohne Unicode...), und OS/2 hatte sowas leider noch nicht. Jetzt nutze ich halt Linux, das macht alles, was ich brauche...


Drei Sprache in einem Dokument, das konnte OS/2 auch mit OOo zu tun. Ich benutze jetzt OS/2 4.52 mit OOo1.1.4/1.1.5 for OS/2. Das krieg man alles. Und bald wird auch OOo 2.0 for OS/2 in Betrieb.

Kennst du eCS, den Nachfolger OS/2? Probier doch einmal under www.ecomstation.com .

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discuss pic 2005-11-09 20:44:47
真的是德文.....(叫機器翻一下...呵呵)


"I had times cheaply gotten and on it had installed 3,0 Warp also IN SUCH A WAY. That was at that time correct stretching to shift documents from OS/2 to Windows and from there to Linux - and everywhere one knew the same program for works on to use...

OS/2 was completely interesting, but I needed university code
(German, Japanese, Chinese in a document? Not without university code...), and OS/2 did not have sowas unfortunately yet. Now I use stop Linux, make everything that I need..."

(不是我翻的所以有錯請Adolar包涵 )

看過的感覺, Adolar的文件格式遷徙史好像有點點複雜......
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discuss pic 2005-11-09 21:20:42
那個翻譯機翻得不怎麼樣,不過德文翻英文本來就有很多問題需要改進。

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discuss pic 2005-11-09 21:23:06
如果再從「英譯文本」再譯為中文,結果如下:

我安排時期便宜地被得到和對此並且安裝了3,0 經線在這樣方式。那在那時正確舒展轉移文件從OS/2 到窗口和從那裡到Linux - 並且你到處知道同樣節目為工作使用...
OS/2 是完全地有趣, 但我需要大學代碼(德語, 日語, 漢語在文件? 不是沒有大學代碼...), 和OS/2 不幸地沒有sowas 。現在我使用中止Linux, 做一切我需要...


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discuss pic 2005-11-09 21:34:00
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tenki 寫道:
OS/2 was completely interesting, but I needed university code
(German, Japanese, Chinese in a document? Not without university code...), and OS/2 did not have sowas unfortunately yet. Now I use stop Linux, make everything that I need...

OS/2 was pretty interesting, but I needed Unicode (German, Japanese, Chinese in one document? Not without Unicode...), and unfortunately OS/2 could not yet offer something like that at that time. Now I just use Linux, it does all I need...

That would (somehow) have been the correct version. But I would have written it slightly different if I had written it directly in English.

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(不是我翻的所以有錯請Adolar包涵 )

I know. Machine translations are fun...

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看過的感覺, Adolar的文件格式遷徙史好像有點點複雜......

No, you just used a pretty simple software. There are better programs out there. This one misunderstood a lot of words.

@alexylee:
Damals gab es leider noch kein Unicode, also musste ich meine Diplomarbeit auf Windows 95 mit SO4 und "Unionway" (fuer Unicode) schreiben.

Von eComstation habe ich gelesen, aber ich persoenlich nutze nur noch Linux (Gentoo) und neuerdings ein wenig OS X...
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"Er, five."
"Wrong! You see?"

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discuss pic 2005-11-09 23:27:39
Linux 的缺點就是要背一些指令,這些指令和習慣的 DOS 差別較大。當然 X-Window 提供了方便的圖形介面,但仍有改進的空間。而處理中文能力能也與日俱增,不過當成 Desktop PC 仍在觀察中。OS/2-eCS 相對來說介面就很友善,OS/2 的 Workpalce Shell (WPS) 則仍是獨步各平台的上選介面,可惜 Linux 沒有這種類似的介面,不然就很棒了。而 MacOS X 顯然在易用性上優於 Linux,也有不少 Killer Apps,若明年轉到 Intel-Base,可能對 Linux 有相當程度的衝擊。

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